In this brief episode, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen take an intentional pause from our regular rhythms on the podcast. We hope that for each of our listeners this holiday weekend holds moments of not only rest, but also reflection on our collective story as a nation. Stay tuned as we pick back up next week for a conversation with a very special guest and dive deeper into what it means to have a well-lived story throughout the summer. 

Resources:

• Explore our brand-new online course, To Be Told
• Learn more about Virtual Story Workshop

Learn more about our Certificate in Narrative Focused Trauma Care Level I

In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen continue to address themes and topics related to listener questions. Today, Dan and Rachael take on the question: How do I engage the relational debris of trauma? Whether you are on a healing journey yourself or are supporting a spouse, family, or friends, our hosts talk about how you can engage both the beauty and brokenness of stories of harm when you are not sure either how to receive or be a good support. Throughout their conversation, you’ll also hear Rachael and Dan address the obstacles to and cost of healing from trauma and how to love well in the midst of trauma. 

Resources:

• Read “Honoring Our Embodied Trauma in the Midst of a Pandemic” by Rebekah Vickery
• Read “Racial Trauma: The Marks We Bear” by Wendell Moss

Watch a video from The Allender Center about Obstacles to Healing

A few months ago, we sent out a call for topics or questions our listeners would like to hear our hosts, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen, cover on the podcast. We were overwhelmed with gratitude at the number of responses received, and are privileged to be able to hold the vulnerable, honest questions that have been entrusted to us. Due to the volume of questions, we looked for patterns and themes in the questions. Today, Dan and Rachael take on a topic brought to us by many of our listeners: bad theology.

Resources

• Read The Color of Compromise: The Truth About the American Church’s Complicity in Racism by Jemar Tisby

Rachael Cinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender are joined by Jimmy McGee, President and CEO of The Impact Movement, and Dr. J. Derek McNeil, President of The Seattle School, to talk about the partnership between The Impact Movement and The Allender Center. The mission of The Impact Movement is “to impact spiritual leaders who impact the world, to engage college students and marketplace professionals [...] and to serve and work in cooperation with and in support of the African American church.” Questions you’ll hear during this conversation include: How do we proceed in the process of dealing with racial trauma and injustice with people who will help us grow, and how do we do it well with the conversations that are difficult to enter?

Resources:

• Learn more about The Impact Movement
• Read The Post-Traumatic Slave Syndrome by Dr. Joy DeGruy

Join The Impact Movement and members of The Allender Center for a Facebook Live event on Monday, June 15

“It matters who gets to tell the story. If it's only left to one person, one group of people, it will be a biased telling—whether intentionally or unintentionally.”

Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen have an honest conversation with Wendell Moss, a Teaching Staff member,  and Linda Royster, a Core Facilitator, about the current and generational impact of racial trauma, and the infectious nature of white supremacy within the United States, organizations and teams such as our own, and the Church. Some difficult truths are named in this episode, and we invite you, with open hearts, to be part of this journey of learning and repentance with us. 

Resources:

• Read The Color of Compromise: The Truth about the American Church’s Complicity in Racism by Jemar Tisby 
• Read White Rage: The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide by Carol Anderson
• Read Stand Your Ground: Black bodies and the Justice of God by Kelly Brown Douglas 
• Read Race: A Theological Account by J. Kameron Carter 
• Read works by the theologian and author James Cone

Read works by the theologian and author Richard Twiss

Continuing to talk about the impact of the pandemic on relationships, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen invite Dr. Steve Call into a conversation about the impact of covid-19 on marriage. We do not approach this topic lightly—we know there is much heartache and brokenness in many homes. Marriage itself is full of complexity and possibility. We hope you hear encouragement, vulnerability, and playfulness as Steve invites us to hear how tension and conflict is created, how increased exposure can lead to shame, and the beauty couples can offer one another when they remind each other what is true. 

Resources:

• Listen to a podcast series featuring Steve on Reconnection in Marriage

Read Steve’s book, reconnect: insights and tools for cultivating meaningful connection in your marriage

“There are broken parts in every one of us that need a good parent.” Dr. Dan Allender 

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender have a conversation with Meredith Dancause—a pastor, writer, and parenting expert—about the complexity of being a parent during a pandemic. Not only parenting young children, but how to be a good parent to ourselves. With both humor and honesty, Meredith speaks to positive discipline and grace, the unique opportunity this season affords us, and the need to pause and be curious about our children’s behavior. 

Resources:

• Learn more about Meredith by visiting her website. 

Read a blog post “Good Enough Parenting in a Time of Crisis” by Jay Stringer

In this episode of the podcast, Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen talk with Heather Stringer about her creative process of stepping into a moment in someone’s story in order to create a ritual. Heather invites us to pause, gather a few items, and participate in a special ritual to account for the past few days and to ask: How do I need to move toward myself during this time?

Resources:

Visit Heather Stringer’s website to learn more about her practice of ritual-making.

Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen invite Heather Stringer, a facilitator at The Allender Center, therapist, and ritual-maker, to begin a conversation about the importance of ritual and routine in a season of traumatic disruption. What does the loss of our previously held routines mean for each of us, and how can creating rituals become life-giving during this time?

Resources:

• Read a blog post by Heather Stringer about tuning into our bodies. 
• Listen to an episode of Makers and Mystics: Ritual Making and Performance Art

Watch a presentation Heather gave at The Seattle School titled “Breaking Frozen Seas: How Rituals of the Body Transform Clients and Communities”

In their final conversation, Dr. Dan Allender, Diane Summers, RDN, CEDRD-S, CD, and Matt Tiemeyer, LHMC, explore ways we can heal our relationship with food and our bodies. No matter where we are in our journey with food or disordered eating, it is never too late to “turn back to kindness.”

Resources:

• Matt Tiemeyer practices at Blue Harbor Counseling
• Diane Summers practices at Hope Nutrition Therapy Center
• Follow Covid19 Eating Support on Instagram for around the clock community care meal support

Read more about Elly Satter’s division of responsibility in feeding.

“We are all too willing to turn over our awareness around our bodies to something outside of ourselves, whether its praise or shame of some kind.”

Picking up their conversation from the first episode, Dr. Dan Allender, Diane Summers,RDN, CEDRD-S, CD, and Matt Tiemeyer, LMHC, continue talking about the connection between desire, shame, and food. Not only are we at war with food, we are also at war with shame in regards to our relationship with our bodies and how we relate to the people around us. 

Resources:

• Matt Tiemeyer practices at Blue Harbor Counseling
• Diane Summers practices at Hope Nutrition Therapy

Read more about NEDA’s The Marginalized Voices Project

“Why are we at war with food?”

Dr. Dan Allender hosts two guests, Matt Tiemeyer, LMHC, and Diane Summers, RDN, CEDRD-S, CD , to begin a three-part conversation about the war many of us wage against food and our bodies. In this strange space we find ourselves, food and how we nourish our bodies can become a way of gaining control, particularly for those with stories of harm. Throughout their conversation, you’ll hear how Matt and Diane entered the world of eating disorder treatment, the impact of our trauma stories on our relationship with food, and the insidious influence of diet culture.

Resources:

• Matt Tiemeyer practices at Blue Harbor Counseling
• Diane Summers practices at Hope Nutrition Therapy

Read an interview with Matt, Diane, and their friend Kate about Redeeming Food & Body

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender have a poignant conversation about making space for the tension and grief of Holy Saturday. In the protestant Christian tradition, the movement from Good Friday to Easter Sunday often bypasses Saturday—the day Jesus “spent time before the face of evil itself.”  How then do we engage the reality of Holy Saturday, to sit well in the space between the despair of Friday and the joy of Sunday?

Resources:

• Read Psalm 22
• Read Romans 8

We find ourselves in the midst of a collective trauma that both exposes, overwhelms, and compounds past traumas. In this new reality, as we come upon the end of the Lenten season, “how do we live as though the resurrection is more true than death?” Rachael Clinton Chen offers words of grounding and hope as she invites us into a different kind of preparation for Holy Week.

Resources:

• Read Psalm 23

Listen to voices from the Asian American Christian Collaborative

Do I believe God is still good even in the midst of profound suffering I don’t understand?”

Our world continues to change in monumental ways. In this episode, Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender engage the implications and anxieties brought about by Covid-19, but also turn our attention to the goodness, power, and protection of God. 

Resources:

• Read Psalm 91
• Veritas Virtual Forum: Coronavirus and Quarantine

In their final conversation about authority, Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender return to complex waters to discuss mutual submission, what good authority looks like, and what it means for us to submit to those in authority. 

Oftentimes words like submission are difficult to hear because they have been misused by those in positions of authority. So, how do we reclaim similar words and phrases, especially those found in scripture, that have been so often used to create chaos? 

Resources:

• Listen to the first two episodes in this series on Authority

Remembering the context of Dan and Rachael’s conversation, read Romans 13

What does it mean to be a Christian in a moment like this? How then, shall we live? 

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender continue to talk about the impact of Covid-19 and the rapid ways our world continues to change, even in the few days following our first episode. Throughout their conversation you’ll hear words of hope, encouragement, and some practical ways to help us connect with our bodies and engage the realities of trauma. 

“Can we honor that we’re all in trauma, as a nation, as a family, as an individual, and can we begin to bring knowledge about trauma to our friendships and conversations?” Dr. Dan Allender

Resources:

• Read Psalm 91
• Read a blog post about Collective Trauma

Listen to a conversation with Dr. Dan Allender about Trauma and the Body

In light of recent, world-altering events, Dan and Rachael sat down to check in with each other and have an honest conversation about the impact of COVID-19. A global pandemic cannot help but bring issues of trauma to the surface. Though we are not trying to resolve all that is unfolding in your own circumstances, we do want to be present and offer encouragement in the midst of these uncertain times. 

Resources: 

• Love in the Time of Coronavirus by Andy Crouch
• Listen to a podcast episode on Scapegoating

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender continue their conversation about authority, this week diving into who we’re meant to trust and submit to in a healthy, biblical way that leads to our flourishing. 

To begin the episode, Dan reads from Romans 13, a passage often referenced in conjunction with the topic of authority. Both Rachael and Dan acknowledge they are in complex waters and that the words “submission” and “obedience” can be triggering for many listeners due to the misuse and violence done by those in positions of authority. 

What authority, then, are we to submit to? The phrase Paul uses implies a “quality superior,” not all authority, Dan notes, but someone who bears a kind of qualitative goodness—a likeness to the goodness of God. Jesus authorizes others for the sake of addressing the brokenness in the world, extending a sense of empowerment, dignity, and call to life. People who are authorized by God typically do not have to tell others they have authority, Rachael says, as it is gained through respect, participation, service, and honor. 

The series will conclude next week as Dan and Rachael will address the questions: What is submission, what does it mean to interact with those in authority? 

Listener Resources:

If you are interested in learning more about the topics mentioned in this podcast:

• Listen to our most recent series about Attachment and Relationships
• Listen to a podcast episode about Suspicion and Loyalty in Spiritual Abuse
• Listen to our podcast series featuring Cathy Loerzel on Complexities in Leadership

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender dive into a three-part series that wrestles with complex questions about authority. In a culture that grows increasingly divisive, this is a topic not without its own divisions. Throughout this episode, you’ll hear Rachael and Dan raise poignant questions and grapple with the implications of trust and mistrust of authority. 

The conversation opens by acknowledging we are living in a hyper-polarized world where there are deep levels of trust and mistrust in many realms. We need to be able to recognize the difference between suspicion and discernment and to know when suspicion is appropriate and when it is damaging and dismantling. 

How then do we find balance as we ask questions of authority so that we do not surrender blindly and accept the status quo when there is a need for change, but do not become so hardened that we only mistrust and question those in authority?

Listener resources:

If you are interested in learning more about the topics mentioned in this podcast:

• Listen to our podcast episodes on Spiritual Abuse

In this episode, Rachael and Dan continue a series about attachment; how our earliest relationships impact who we come to be. Throughout their conversation, you’ll hear attributes of secure attachment, how our brains are wired for attachment, and the three categories of insecure attachment and how they affect our styles of relating.

In this episode, Rachael and Dan continue a series about attachment; how our earliest relationships impact who we come to be. Throughout their conversation you’ll hear attributes of secure attachment, how our brains are wired for attachment, and the three categories of insecure attachment and how they affect our styles of relating.

Rachael Clinton Chen and Dr. Dan Allender begin a series about attachment and our individual styles of relating and how they can be, as Dan describes, a “kind of gravity” that shapes how we affect other people. We are not static beings, yet who we are and how we relate to others is deeply impacted by the beauty and brokenness of our upbringings.

Revisiting an insightful conversation between Dr. Dan Allender and Dr. Steve Call, a therapist and Affiliate Faculty member at The Seattle School of Theology & Psychology, about how unaddressed hurt and shame can harm meaningful connections in marriage and practical tools to help rebuild connection where it has been lost.

Rachael Clinton Chen leads an open and honest conversation with Cathy Loerzel and Christy Bauman about what they wish other women knew about women’s sexuality.

Dr. Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen are joined by guests Cathy Loerzel and Christy Bauman to have a vulnerable discussion about what women wish men knew about women’s sexuality.

Podcast co-hosts Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton Chen continue a conversation about transitions, in particular what it means to transition well. Both offer valuable insights and wisdom regarding successful transitions and highlight the importance of find

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton share an exciting announcement about the future of The Allender Center podcast and talk about how transitions, whether chosen or unchosen, create both danger and deep opportunity.

Continuing a conversation about entering a new year, Dan and Becky Allender talk openly about their experiences with anxiety and worry and the tendency many of us have to let worry overtake our anticipation of the future.

As we enter a new year, Dan and Becky Allender address the issue of regret, and how so often our regret inhibits us from reflecting on the past.

To close this series on the Incarnation, Dan invites listeners to consider how our own giving of gifts around Christmastime is reflected in the creativity and gift of the Incarnation.

During the season of Advent, Dan begins a series about the Incarnation, what it means for Jesus to be the Word made flesh.

During the season of Advent, Dan begins a series about the Incarnation, what it means for Jesus to be the Word made flesh.

Dan continues a conversation about gratitude and repentance, and unpacks common misunderstandings about repentance through the narrative of the prodigal son.

Dan continues a conversation about gratitude and repentance, and unpacks common misunderstandings about repentance through the narrative of the prodigal son.

Dan begins a series about the connection between gratitude and repentance. Thanksgiving is not often thought of as a holiday for repentance, however, gratitude and repentance are reflections of one another.

Dan and Cathy continue their conversation about the realities and complexities of being a leader. In this episode, questions about the particularities of being a woman in leadership are posed and thoughtfully addressed.

In this episode of the podcast, Dan is joined by Cathy Loerzel, Executive Vice President of The Allender Center, to talk about the realities and complexities of being a leader. Dan believes that people who are good leaders are also reluctant leaders, a th

In this episode of The Allender Center Podcast, Dan is joined by Jay Stringer, Sam Lee, and Wendell Moss to discuss misconceptions about sex, the impact of fear and shame, and how men’s sexuality is deeply connected to culture, race, and past traumas.

In this episode of The Allender Center Podcast, Dan is joined by Jay Stringer, Sam Lee, and Wendell Moss to discuss misconceptions about men’s sexuality, the impact of fear and shame, and how men’s sexuality is deeply connected to one’s culture, rac

Dan and Wendell Moss continue their conversation about what it means to become an “anti-racist” and discuss the impact of white supremacy in unexpected places, the impact of assimilation into white evangelicalism, and policies that contribute to the d

Dan and Wendell Moss, a member of The Allender Center Teaching Staff, begin a conversation about the implications of the phrase “I am not a racist” and what it means to instead become an “anti-racist.” We invite you to join us and ask: Are we will

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton continue their conversation on planning and remembering weddings and unpack the idea that weddings reflect both death and resurrection and, much like life, great joy and deep sorrow.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton, Director of Organizational Development at The Allender Center, have a conversation about planning and remembering weddings and what it means to hold both joy and heartache at these momentous events.

Dan and Becky Allender reflect on what it means to experience failure and address it in a way that allows our lives to grow, both relationally and individually.

On this week’s podcast, Dan Allender a series on facing our failures and discusses how unnamed failures can accumulate to become part of ourselves which opens the door to “the idolatry of perfectionism.” How then, Dan asks, will we engage failure in

On this week’s podcast, Dan Allender launches a new series on a topic that cuts to the very quick of our being and identity: failure. No one can escape failure, and yet there is a need for a better way to address our failures. Using a personal story, Da

Dan and Becky Allender have a conversation about what it means to embrace aging by owning limitations, moving forward in kindness, and holding both the levity and gravity of aging together.

Dan and Dr. Keith Anderson continue their conversation about the reality of aging and what it means to embrace a slower, yet deeper pace that accompanies this new season of life.

Dan Allender and his good friend Dr. Keith Anderson explore the realities of aging, the importance of curiosity, and the practice of listening.

Dan Allender concludes our series on scapegoating by reflecting on the movement away from endless cycles of blame-shifting and reciprocal violence.

Dan Allender continues our series on scapegoating by reflecting on the experience of being chosen to bear the violence and chaos of an entire system.

Abby Wong-Heffter and Derek McNeil sit down for a conversation that leads them to discussing the realities of trauma and the hope to live a more integrated life.

Dan Allender launches a new series about the reality of scapegoating, reflecting on the dynamics that occur when unmet desire gives way to envy and an impulse toward harm.

Dan Allender concludes our series on play alongside Russ Teubner, developer of a unique, artistic event space called Backstage Stillwater. Russ and Dan reflect on how we can create spaces of play in the world around us.

Dan and Becky Allender reflect on what deep, meaningful play reveals about living as people who are captivated by the radiance of God.

Dan and Becky Allender wrestle with some of the obstacles and demands that often keep us from engaging in play, or that relegate it to an afterthought or addendum to the rest of our lives.

Dan and Becky Allender kick off a new series all about the beauty and necessity of play by exploring the categories of risk, exploration, and restoration.

Dan and Becky Allender conclude our series on Psalm 131 by reflecting on a hope that is grounded in our deepest desires, that does not fear suffering, and that anticipates the fullness of redemption that God intends for each of us.

Dan and Becky Allender reflect on how Psalm 131 invites us to calm and quiet our bodies, minds, and hearts, so that we can navigate the loss and chaos around us in a new way.

Dan Allender continues unpacking Psalm 131 by looking at some of the messages of entitlement, demand, and pressure that often drive us to strive for a false Eden rather than resting in the work God is calling us to.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton conclude our series about spiritual abuse by reflecting on the long, slow movement out of abusive contexts, and the work of tending to small areas of growth while trusting that God is contending for us in the big areas.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton discuss how spiritual abuse shames and manipulates our bodies, often forcing us to dissociate and split off the parts of us that are wise and kind and curious.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton continue looking at how spiritual abuse hijacks our minds by fostering suspicion toward God, each other, and even our own hearts.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton launch a new series returning to the category of spiritual abuse, exploring how these heartbreaking dynamics hijack our bodies and minds, keeping us from the freedom, spaciousness, and beauty we were created for.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton continue discussing the dynamics of erotic entanglement by reflecting on the tendency for so many leaders to rely on the people they serve to meet their deepest desires.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton talk about recognizing erotic entanglement as leaders, and the very human desires that help fuel it.

Dan Allender and Abby Wong-Heffter continue discussing the costs and demands of leadership, unpacking the common tendency to idealize or scapegoat our leaders, rather than allowing them to be full, complex, imperfect human beings.

Dan Allender and Abby Wong-Heffter reflect on some of the dynamics and challenges of leadership, and the need to care for those—including ourselves—who live with the expectations and assumptions of others.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton continue discussing the experience of not doing well, exploring the movement toward doing well even in the midst of circumstances that are still unwell.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton continue discussing the familiar experience of not doing well, exploring the painful, terrifying, but essential act of turning towards community and allowing the Spirit to care for us through the care of others.

Dan Allender and Rachael Clinton begin a conversation about the familiar experience of not doing well, and the messages that tell us we need to power through the pain, not let our guard down, and not let anyone truly see us when things are not well.

Dan and Becky Allender continue discussing triangulation in family of origin, and remind us that no matter how deep the harm, and no matter how costly the healing, our stories are not yet done being written.

In this third episode of our Family of Origin series, we turn to the crucial category of triangulation. Dan and Becky Allender look back on their own families and the history of their marriage to help us unpack how these dynamics continue playing out deca

Dan Allender continues our Family of Origin series by discussing the importance of engaging both large, historic patterns and the minute details of particular stories.

Dan Allender launches a new series about the need to engage family of origin issues, beginning with the ways that both genetics and attachment history are at play in our relationships today.

Dan Allender continues his conversation with Steve Call about fostering reconnection in marriage, which is not possible without deep empathy, honest engagement of trauma, and the fundamental art of play.

Dan is joined by Dr. Steve Call, whose new book shares key findings from Steve’s years of experience helping couples reconnect. Together Steve and Dan explore the hurt and shame that must be addressed if we hope to cultivate meaningful connection.

As we wrap up our conversation about how delight allows us to approach decisions with a greater sense of awe and gratitude, Dan Allender reminds us that true delight is about so much more than easy, temporary pleasure.

With some help from Marie Kondo’s famous work around clutter and tidiness, Dan invites us to consider how approaching even the smallest decisions with a sense of delight might help draw us deeper into beauty and goodness.

Dan Allender launches a new series about decision-making, and how the category of delight might help us discern which path to take.

Dan Allender continues his conversation with Steve Call about fostering reconnection in marriage, which is not possible without deep empathy, honest engagement of trauma, and the fundamental art of play.

Dan and Becky Allender reflect on the year ahead, wondering about the themes and desires they feel for the coming months.

Dan and Becky Allender invite us to look back on the past year, to remember the highlights and low points, the delights and challenges, and to wonder what themes Jesus has been growing in us this year.

Dan and Becky Allender conclude our holiday series by talking about something that will be all too familiar for most listeners: family conflict.

Dan and Becky Allender continue their conversation about the holidays by discussing the deep sense of disappointment that so often leads to conflict.

Dan and Becky Allender reflect on the benefits and drawbacks of nostalgia—which can help inform our desire for goodness in the present, or can set up unrealistic expectations that inevitably lead to disappointment.

Dan Allender continues talking with therapist and author Andrew Bauman, whose book Stumbling Toward Wholeness offers a new, vital perspective on the familiar story of the Prodigal Son.

Dan Allender talks with therapist and author Andrew Bauman about his new book, Stumbling Toward Wholeness, and about the movement through shame and self-righteousness to kindness.

Dan Allender continues his conversation with Stasi Eldredge about defiant joy, honest engagement with sorrow, and the unrelenting hope that brokenness is not the end of the story.

Dan Allender is joined by Stasi Eldredge to talk about her new book, Defiant Joy, and the intimate connection between joy and sorrow.

Dan Allender and Cathy Loerzel continue their conversation about The Tale, a stunning new film that raises crucial questions about arousal, contempt, and the necessity of telling our stories of trauma and abuse.

Dan Allender and Cathy Loerzel talk about The Tale, a fiercely important new film from HBO that is a vital addition to ongoing conversations about childhood sexual abuse.

Dan Allender, Rachael Clinton, and Beau Denton celebrate more than four years and 200 episodes of The Allender Center podcast. As they reflect on their favorite moments so far, they dream together about how the conversation might continue in the future.

Dan Allender and Jay Stringer conclude their conversation about sexual brokenness, the need for integrity and community in healing, and Jay’s new book Unwanted.

Dan continues his conversation with Jay Stringer about sexual brokenness and the need to engage the particular stories that inform how we view ourselves and how we relate to others.

Dan kicks off a three-part conversation with minister and therapist Jay Stringer, whose book, Unwanted: How Sexual Brokenness Reveals Our Way to Healing, was released earlier this month.

This week, Wendell Moss continues his conversation with Sam Eldredge, originally recorded for the podcast from And Sons Magazine in Colorado.

This week, we’re sharing a conversation from the folks at And Sons Magazine in Colorado. Teaching Staff member Wendell Moss talks with Sam Eldredge about the intersections of race, masculinity, and trauma.

This week, Dan talks with Dr. Craig Detweiler, President of The Seattle School, about the transfiguration narrative in Luke 9, and about how we respond to moments of divine beauty.